Zoo Photo Club Meeting Minutes
February 16, 2004
The meeting started around 7:05 p.m.
Bill Pasek said that Stuart Riley, a club member, would be the guest
speaker tonight and would give his presentation at the end of the meeting.
Bill welcomed one guest for the
evening, Dick Hulse. Dick said that
Peggy Lawrey got him to come after meeting him at Powell Gardens. Welcome, Dick! Bill
invited him to come to several meetings before deciding whether to join.
There was no Treasurerís report
Bill called for old business.
Jim Rendina said that the display
board is back in place at Deramus. He
intends to get out this week or early next week to change out as many photos as
he can. He has received some new
photos but still needs more. Jim
was asked how many 8x10s he needs that are landscape versus portrait. Jim said he needs about 4 landscape and about 4 portrait,
some 8x10 and some 5x7. Last time
he was short on 8x10 portraits. Also,
the actual size on the board of these larger prints is about 7x9.
Bill told Jim to call him when he is ready to change out the pictures,
and he will come help.
Bill took a draft of the Photo Club
promotional brochure to Kinkoís and ordered 1,000 copies.
It costs the same to get 1,000 as it does to get 500.
We built a place on the display stand for the brochures, and Bill will
take some to the Friends of the Zoo office.
If you have other ideas for where to distribute the brochures, let him
Bill also asked anyone needing a
name tag or correction to a name tag to let him know.
Bill said that our zoo
representative, Sarah OíBrien, called recently and said that with recent
staffing cuts and additional workload, she would be able to attend only every
other meeting. Bill assured her
that this was okay and that he would call her with any updates as needed.
The Kansas City Zoo Web site has
been updated and has a new look. A
picture of the baby rhino is included on it.
Peggy was asked whether we need more
photos for display in the Deja Zoo gift shop.
Peggy said yes. She
explained that she hasnít done a lot there because of the recent snow, and she
imagines that not a lot is selling right now, but she could still use some
prints. We had made a policy of
accepting only two prints at a time per person.
She could still use some more for the other part of the wall that we are
going to fill up. Peggy said that
if you have some prints to display, you can contact her between now and the next
meeting. She can meet you somewhere
to get your images from you. She
lives in Raytown, which is about ten minutes from the zoo.
Bill asked if anyone had anything
for this monthís Buy-Sell-Trade session.
He reminded the group that Steve Brewer had brought a bunch of film to
sell last time and may still have some left.
Dan Paulsen said he wants to sell
his Nikon F100 film camera and an SB28 flash, since he is interested in getting
into digital photography exclusively.
These are only about a year old, and the camera is just one step down
from a professional F5.
Bill asked if we needed to plan a
photo shoot sometime soon. This was
discussed briefly by the group. The
consensus seemed to be that it would be great to head south, but nothing
specific was decided.
Bill then explained that Stuart
would be doing the Tech Talk for the evening.
The subject this month is digital versus film.
Everyone should feel welcome to participate and join in.
Stu explained that he tried to
capture a representative sampling of cameras on the market today for his
presentation. Almost everything is
digital right now. Film has been
around a long time, and we are familiar with it, but it is going to be phased
out over time.
Stuart asked the group which is
better Ė film or digital? He
explained that this depends on a few fundamentals Ė value, availability,
intended use, and total cost.
Stu explained his background.
He started out using film, with an 8x10 LandView camera.
Fewer places now process the medium-format and larger cameras, though you
still can get 35mm film processed everywhere; black and white, less so.
If you really like film, you
probably can get some good deals on film cameras now.
Prices have been compressed somewhat.
For those who really like digital,
some say that you cannot get the resolution that you get with film, but CMOS
sensors are getting more and more sensitive, so this is improving all the time.
With digital, you can play with the
images in PhotoShop. You can print
in large format using dye-sublimation techniques, and so on.
Stuart asked those who like film,
why? What are you losing by going
with digital? He suggested that we
also ponder the reverse question.
Bill said this was a good question.
He can buy his Panasonic film camera for $1,500.
The digital Leica M6 replacement costs twice that much, $3,000.
If you do not have a computer, however, you can view your images on the
back of your digital camera.
With regards to comparing costs,
you can buy a film camera for less than $1,000.
You could not get the equivalent in a digital camera for $2,000.
It would be $1,500 to $3,000 just for the body.
Jim said you have to think past the
camera costs. You must use either a
digital or chemical darkroom to express yourself.
Of these, which is the easiest to master? Jim said that itís not even close, digital is so much
easier, faster, and cheaper.
Linda Hanley pointed out that with
film, you could pay for tons of film and processing just to get four or five
good shots. With film, you are
forced to think about your shots. With
digital, it costs less to take a picture.
Carla said she finds she is
concentrating more with digital, because she can see what she is doing
immediately and can get a better idea and make any corrections necessary. She is still going to try to take a good picture, of course.
To print really large images, you
must set it on the highest resolution and you need to save images as .EPS or
.TIFF. .JPG will deteriorate as you
open and close repeatedly.
Gary Gingrich said time- and
cost-wise, his black and white darkroom is now a storage shed.
It takes a lot of time to set it up versus using a digital darkroom.
No money is spent on processing,
but it does take paper and time. You
become the developer, but you have more control.
Stuart talked about latitude.
Black and white has a latitude of about seven, while slide and print film
has a latitude of about five. Digital
latitude is about the same as slide Ė almost five.
But with the new sensors, latitude is supposed to be about like black and
white, or about seven.
Carla said she still takes her
digital images somewhere to be printed.
Who donít more people take film
shots and then scan and print them? You
can get 4,900 dpi with a good scanner. Resolution
is phenomenal and getting better and better.
Dan Paulsen said he liked seeing
the pictures immediately.
What resolution is good enough?
Bill thanked Stuart for leading
tonightís Tech Talk.
Bill said he put some 3x5 cards on
tables. If you have suggestions
about what we need to do or not do, fill out a card.
The group took a break around 7:45
p.m. and enjoyed treats brought by Carla.
Around 8:10 p.m., the meeting
reconvened. Bill asked for a
volunteer to moderate the next Tech Talk. We
could have one on how to price your photos at the zoo, or tips on composing a
picture. Marie Bohndorf said she
would do one on how to price your pictures.
Bill inquired as to any new
Marie said the Great Plains Nature
Photographers have a new Web site: www.GPNP.org.
Marie was asked about the reference
to Petersonís Photographic Web site in the newsletter.
This is a photo magazine.
Gary said he noticed that with the new
baby rhino, the zoo has a newly updated Web site, but he could not find a direct
link to the Photo Club yet. Marie
said she would check on this.
She also will check about a photo
excursion to shoot the new baby rhino.
Bill then led a discussion on trips
the club might want to plan. Pat
Whalen of Missouri Department of Conservation talked about leading a trip to a
nearby prairie. This would probably
need to be a full-day or half-day trip. Also,
Maxwell Wildlife Refuge near McPherson has bison, elk, etc.; this also would be
an all-day trip.
Jim suggested that we handle this
like the clubís sign-up to bring treats, and have different people sign up to
organize and lead a trip each month. At
the March meeting, we could bring an idea, and folks could sign up for an April
Dan explained that a trip he would
like to do in May is to the Z Bar Ranch, part of the Konza Prairie. This is a huge prairie that you can walk around in or take a
bus tour of; it is worthwhile. Bill
asked if Dan would be willing to bring details about the trip to a meeting, and
Jim volunteered to bring an idea
for a trip to the next meeting.
Next on the agenda was Stuartís
program. Stuart said this would
last about 20 minutes and would be a bit unusual.
He will not be talking past the introduction.
The rest of the program will be slides, together with the tranquility of
listening to music. This is a
walk-through of the zoo that he hopes will show details to those who are not
attuned fully to what is in the zoo. It
is a three-year composition shot in all four seasons, with a predominance of
fall shots because Stu loves the fall. He
said he hoped we enjoyed the program.
The program included shots of various
scenes throughout the zoo, as Stuart explained, including a butterfly,
waterfall, the Deramus building, and many birds and animals, including peacocks,
sea lions, flamingos, elephants, and cheetahs.
After Stuartís enjoyable program,
the meeting adjourned around 8:50 p.m. The
next meeting is March 15 at 7 p.m.
-- Tracy Goodrich